Madness and the Chinese From: Random There's a passage in Neal Stephanson's /The Diamond Age, Or A Young Lady's Illustrated Primer/, an excellent sf book if you like that sort of thing, in which Stephanson describes how it a Chinese traditon that the mad and the old are to be respected, even revered...if a soldier from an opposite side walked into a Chinese encampment, he would be accepted, even fed, in reverence to his madness...this as you know is true all over the world...most cities are just collections of the encampments of various wars...I mean, if you mumble to yourself on the bus, or hug strangers, or whatever you have to do, hey, you get your own seat...you get let in places you could never gain entry to if sane...you are perceived as harmless, and so you have access to higher information, like Cheif Bromden in One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest....old formula, nu? The big question is, do we as Malks alter our perception or do we alter the percepted? and what are the implications if we discover that it doesn't matter which? -random "why don't we try that argument on the Tremere library-keepers, eh?" reed