From: anon Thank you. I've heard of this before, though I'll admit I have had to do without the text; thank you for this copy. Also thank you for your suggestion (on cherishing). I've noticed that most Malkavians (most kindred, in general) pay more attention to gender than I do though this is the first time I've seen it done due to prophecy. More often it seems to be for a leer or ties to a past life (I'm sure I'd be 'guilty' of the latter if I had one). Perhaps they simply held on to being human better than I. Perhaps I just needed to 'live' a little more. While I agree that the Tremere and Tzimisce are likely being too literal, it is also possible that the answer is so literal that they are missing it. "...in her will be decided the fate of all" is an important phrase and an ambiguous one (that sets my Malkie senses tingling). 'In her' sounded to me that she will be the one to give birth to... whatever it is that resolves Gehenna. I'm sorry, JoN, but that's not something I am any more likely to do than you. Still, that's just one theory. My problem I have is that the text refers to a woman, not one of us; I may be a 'female' Malkavian, a human woman before the Embrace, but in my opinion, I am not a woman. I know others disagree with me. It's a feeling I can't change (I have been changed). I am no longer a daughter of Eve. (For this matter, though, it depends on what the prophet saw and what the scribes and translators supported. I admit, ancient languages are out of my field, and I don't know whether they distinguished between living and undead. The general impression, that I've heard, is that it is a mortal woman; I know, that ought to be enough to point me in the opposite direction...) I do think that you're on the right track, though (if there is one). The "mark of the Moon" could refer to our Clan, even if not to one of our Clanmembers. Do you have any guesses about this term? Perhaps a woman ghouled with Malkavian Blood. Perhaps a woman 'marked' to become a Malkavian, like my Carol. Perhaps a woman with a crescent-shaped dent from a spade in the back of her head. Perhaps it is what we think of as defining ourselves as Malkavian; perhaps the mark of the Moon is Madness. If you want the most 'out there' opinion I have found: the woman is Malkav. I've heard (and told) tales of Malkav as a female. With one so powerful, and possessing an interest in Obfuscate, even something as basic as sex is impossible to find out. Let's fit what JoN gave us to Malkav, though. "When the snows consume the Earth and the sun gutters like a candle in the wind..." Both of these could refer to events in the distant past; the ice age and a severe volcanic eruption respectively. These were prophecies were gathered by Auspex, I believe is the assumption, by one of the antedelluvians. Saulot, I think, is the most commonly referred to source (Saulot was widley held to be oraculaur, even to Caine). Another possibility is that Malkav was the seer (odd as that may seem, the skill in Auspex is what's key; I would expect Malkavs ability to exceed Saulots.) There may be disagreement (just as Celerity makes one a better fighter, there is the natural ability and peripheral... merits). I myself, have a peculiar form of Obfuscate. The point being that Malkav or Saulot could have had sufficient Auspex, etc. to perform the prophesy. Malkav, however would be the one to possess the level of obfuscate necessary to hide her identity from the seer. Even herself. "...then, and only then, will there be born a woman, the Last Daughter of Eve, and in her will be decided the fate of all. This Last Daughter is, I think, often interpreted (right or wrong) as being the last woman born on Earth, or at least the last to reach womanhood. Perhaps the last fertile woman (I hope not, I'd hate to have the world end up as one of those so-bad-it's-not-even-campy post-apocolyptic sci-fi movies). To apply it to Malkav we could probably even argue that she was literally Eve's youngest daughter or, more likely, she was the last in a line of women descended from Eve (like how mortal men carry the family name ). (Another possibility, just as an aside, is that 'Eve' is tha name for a tribe. When considering the branching nature of human (and kindred) bloodlines, we follow the logical conclusion that they taper to a point. That's what you get for following logical concludions. It's possible that the name 'Eve' pertains to one tribe, whose genetic code is being passed along silently, just as some people are carriers of diseases (again this is out of my field). They may be the minority, now; just a handful of Daughters out there, not always passing the gene on, then finally, without any cause but attrition, there is one.) (One more: she is the daughter of a woman named Eve; not a very likely thing, espacially as the name Eve probably wasn't in use as such then.) "And you will not know this woman, except by the mark of the Moon on her, and she will face treachery, hatred, and pain but in her is the last hope." That you will "not know" her may be a referance to Obfuscate. Here the mark of the Moon (I would guess) refers to Madness. That she will face treachery, hatred, and pain is to live a life of too many Malkavians have. The only thing I can add (again, my opinion)is that the phrase 'in her' ("in her will be decided the fate of all" and "in her is the last hope") refers to her Blood. Through the Blood of Malkav we are free. We decide our fate (ours is the only Clan that has a significant suicide rate), we have hope (particularly when there is no reason for it, particularly when all others have that realization that there is cause for hope). If you were to go with this interpretation, we (all Malks, males too) are the way to survive Gehenna. (Presuming that 'hope' has something to do with survival.) Thank you again for the copy. -anon "Such a nice antitribu..."