On Fleshcrafting Wings From: Alex Derenkov > what are the techniqual points stuff behind [fleshcrafting wings onto > a person/vampire]? Technical. But honestly, while you could fleshcraft (and bonecraft, actually) wings the sheer amount of physiological alterations involved make it a lot more cost effective to just learn to go Horrid Form. To make wings: First, one needs to build an extra set of limbs to be modified (Patagia are fine for gliding, but you just don't get the surface area or muscle power for free flight), and since you're adding a whole new set of limbs (including shoulders, and collar cause you need them to anchor all the new muscle tissue to) you need to increase the size of the thoracic cavity by enlarging the rib cage, and hollow out the bones to decrease weight (because nevermind what Marvel comics says, there is no way a normal human being is gonna get off the ground, self-powered). Since you're already inside the subject, get rid of some of those extraneous organs: reroute the kidneys directly into the intestines so you can ditch that darned urinary bladder, make the genitals internal to minimize wind resistance, and get rid of most of that adipose tissue (fat). Now that that's outta the way, starting making some airbladders in the chestal region, and enlarge the lungs. Done? Good. Now start enlarging the muscles in the chest to god awful huge size, and anchor them to that new collarbone you made earlier, and heck, attach them to the original collar to just to provide stronger binding. Okay, now seal 'em up and start on the actual wings.. Lengthen the extra limbs (I believe 8-12 feet on either side *may* be enough for a man sized vic... er, subject) and ditch some of those digits (unless you're going for a chiropteran ((batwing)), then lengthen the digits too). Now take the epidermal cells and draw them out into venous structures and collapse them onto themselves. This is a greatly simplified description of how a feather forms, and I would encourage doing more reading for this. For chiropteran forms, simply take the webbing between the digits, thicken them slightly then draw them out until it looks like a bat-wing. And that, in a nutshell, is how to make a winged-human/Kindred. The Reverend O could and probably will make corrections to any errors on my part, but I believe this is more or less the case. And remember, flight requires a lot of mental rewiring too (thinking in the x,y,z planes as opposed to the x,z thought of most hominids for example), so be prepared for a long session of Dominate and/or more Vissicitude... Anyone ever read 'Gaia' I think it was, that trilogy about this Living artificial world near Jupiter that created both 'Angels' and 'Centaurs'? Alex D. Quando te ipse in dementiam cadens invenis, te merge!